First off, i've always been a pro evo fan, I've always preferred the gameplay over fifa, however after the last few version of pro where it was languishing I had turned to FIFA to see what the fuss was about, I have bought FIFA 11 this year purely on the back of the hype and was pretty dissapointed to see it hadn't changed much from last year, it goes on about personality plus which is just not there. Anyway back to pro evo.. Yes it's challenging, something which I welcome, Last year you could pretty much pick up pro evo 10 and start playing how you've always played.. not this year, it may divide a certain amount of people, but for me, games that challenge you and to re-think how you approach a situation can only be a good thing, otherwise what's the point of buying a new edition each year? *cough* FIFA *cough* I'm by no means a "fanboy" This years pro is far from perfect, It can feel a little stiff on occasion, but it's definitely a game where you only get out what you put in, if you think you can simply string a few passes together and score everytime then your wrong, as a moment of casualness can easily catch you out for which you will be punished. And in regards to a post below me, you can run down the wing, take on players and beat them - You just need the skill and timing to do so.. you know, like.. real football? It takes some getting used to but once you have the rewards are there to see. Master league online is genius and so far it looks like they have sorted the online side out as i've played many matches with very little to no lag, and my internet is pants due to location. It's really a good base konami have made, and i'm sure it can only get stronger as they improve on it. The manuel pass is brilliant, just have patience!!