Ive owned various versions of the 360, firstly the core, then the 60bg then the elite and now im on to the 4gb slim console. as i say in the title i never play online as i hate it and this console is ALMOST perfct for my needs. i need a bit more memory than 4gb but not as much as 250gb, so i bought a 16gb flash drive from play and it works a charm (check my reviews) I work in a games shop and all i see every day is games being returned with laser burns as people cant stop their dogs knocking over their consoles or whatever happens to them. INSTALL THE GAMES PEOPLE. its not rocket science. this proccess makes the console totally quiet and also means it runs cooler and also loads the games faster than if you are booting from the discs. And personally id never stand my console up either but thats just me. so if you dont play online get this console, you may just need a bit more storage space to ensure your games are kept in the best possible condition.